Bump Bump Bump for Johnny_Waterboard.

I deserve an answer after waiting so patiently.

US_Kopfjaeger ~ I deserve an answer after waiting so patiently.

Will someone answer the question posed by the originator of this thread

PLEASE

I don't know LMAO. I am asking a hard question.

Why does anyone support the man? You would think that someone here should be able to say "I support Barack Obama because...... " And the give a definitive answer.

We will see. I am still going to lay back and wait for anything regarding a cogent argument. 127 comments and six pages strong, still nothing yet.

Johnny_Waterboard holds some hope. Let's see what he comes up with.

EDIT: Unclebernie, I missed k'ing your little gem about articulate etc.. Will catch you in the morning.

Not an Obama bin Laden supporter. I was just wondering why there were so many posts to this thread, it should be empty!

Not an Obama bin Laden supporter. I was just wondering why there were so many posts to this thread, it should be empty!

At least from the Obama side, it is empty.

There are still a few weeks left though, and I am hopeful to have a real debate with an Obama supporter.

I’m hardly an Obama supporter. I think America’s two choices for President demonstrate America’s willingness to accept mediocrity and that probably explains the mess America finds itself in today. . America has had 8 years of poor leadership, and can expect at least another four.

Iraq – A timetable for withdrawal.

Taxes – middle class tax cuts; tax hikes for those earning more than £250k

Health Care – Universal

Economy – A socialist agenda with greater regulation.

You may not like what he says but your opinion counts for nothing. The American electorate favour his positions. If they continue to hold such favour for the next four weeks then Obama will be your President.

The tone on this site is changing from FF to FA. You can see it happening as American FFers realise what is happening to their country. They hate it. They really hate it. It’s not what they thought it was. The reality is setting in.

The problem is that you don’t have four weeks to save America because McCain is no saviour either.

Either way, your screwed.

Whats amazing is that we knew you were screwed a lot sooner than you guys did. It was obvious, but you failed to understand the consequences of mediocrity in government.

If you think the mess is bad now, wait and see how bad it will be by the time 2012 comes around. If you don't get a better batch of candidates putting themselves forward, your economy is going to be completely and hopelessly fucked.

I’m hardly an Obama supporter. I think America’s two choices for President demonstrate America’s willingness to accept mediocrity and that probably explains the mess America finds itself in today. . America has had 8 years of poor leadership, and can expect at least another four.

Actually it represents the problem of having an elite "political class" that fancy themselves born leaders, and whose "job" as it were is to lead. Short version, the "professional politician". For instance, much was made of Hillary Clinton's belief that she was "due". Due for what? Who the fuck promised her should can lead this country just because she is some hack politician? The thought process of the elite is fucked up. They need to be beaten back under their rocks.

Now finally, you have at least endeavored to list "talking points".

Iraq – A timetable for withdrawal.

Taxes – middle class tax cuts; tax hikes for those earning more than £250k

Health Care – Universal

Economy – A socialist agenda with greater regulation.

This is great, but don't you think that when you are voting for your next leader, you should understand more than these "talking points"? Most Americans don't, they aren't that bright and they are a bit too enthralled with themselves to care. But I want to ask you:

1.) How will Obama implement a withdrawal from Iraq, and will his idea supersede the current withdrawal plan that has been implemented by the Bush administration?

2.) Reading from Barack Obama's web site itself, you will see:

Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama and Biden will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama and Biden will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.

You will notice that nowhere are "Workers", "Working Families" nor "Person" defined. You pull this number of $250,000.00US out of thin air, but Obama hasn't said that.

And I am old enough to remember when the last Democrat Party presidential hopeful was running. He also said the "rich" were anyone above $250,000.00US. Of course once he was elected, he not only raised taxes on everyone's ass, he did so retroactively. I was making about $40,000US back then, and my taxes went UP.

www.heritage.org . . .

3.) Universal Health Care. I have health insurance as a compensation for my work. It's a rather large percentage of my compensation. Around 12-15%. I pay only a small fee every month. Under $100.00US. Now why would I want to give this up, lose 12-15% of my compensation, then turn around and pay some unknown percentage of my take home salary for an incompetent government run plan?

See here:

www.barackobama.com . . .

4.) Economy. What specifically is Barack Obama going to do to to improve the economy?

www.barackobama.com . . .

The only firm statement he has made here, on his own web site, is that he is going to enact a windfall profits tax. Only one problem. Once he starts taxing the shit out of businesses, there won't BE anymore windfall profits. Then how does he pay for it? Notice Barack again doesn't tell you how he intends to pay for the bills of millions of people. Only one way. Raise taxes.

You may not like what he says but your opinion counts for nothing. The American electorate favour his positions. If they continue to hold such favour for the next four weeks then Obama will be your President.

Of course my opinion matters. I am a vote. I am also a taxpayer. I am also a consumer in the economy he wishes to lead. If he does what I think he is going to, raise taxes, then I have a choice. I could go out and buy a house. Or I can horde my cash in tax free vehicles, buy nothing, and ride out the 4 years. Which is better for America?

Either way, your screwed.

Whats amazing is that we knew you were screwed a lot sooner than you guys did. It was obvious, but you failed to understand the consequences of mediocrity in government.

Just stop. "We" aren't screwed. I am doing just fine. I am not being foreclosed on, nor sued for not paying my bills as are most Americans. Those who are screwed are mostly minorities and white trash who never in a hundred years should have gotten a home loan, speculators, and some Wall Street bankers. Fuck em'.

Don't over dramatize the problem. We have been listening to you FF.com libtards screaming prophecies of doom for the United States for years. In the end, you guys are *always* screwed worse than we are. We are nimble and quick, you are slow and rigid.

6 PAGE'S and still no answer. you have got to be kidding me...


Can ANYONE give me an answer to the question...

What qualifies Obama to be President ??

one single answer will do

Not one Obama supporter I know can answer my question: How are all these new goodies going to be paid for? They say, "Soak those who make more than $250K and the corporations." And I say, "So what happens if all this shit costs a lot more than you can or will actually get out of these people who already pay 70% of the taxes collected?" Silence. Awkward fidgeting. Change the subject...

Every time I ask a reasonable question they either cannot answer it or are at the moment of actually getting testy.

Not one Obama supporter I know can answer my question: How are all these new goodies going to be paid for? They say, "Soak those who make more than $250K and the corporations." And I say, "So what happens if all this shit costs a lot more than you can or will actually get out of these people who already pay 70% of the taxes collected?" Silence. Awkward fidgeting. Change the subject...

Patience Fredrick. You just scooted into the next phase of debate. When dealing with mental defectives, it's necessary to take steps one at a time. We got Johnny_Waterboard to post the talking points. Next step, get him or any other Obama supporter to explain, or God forbid defend the talking points.

But no flaming. We don't want to scare the left.

You pull this number of $250,000.00US out of thin air, but Obama hasn't said that.

Read the transcript of his speech in Grand Rapids on October 2nd 08.

We have been listening to you FF.com libtards screaming prophecies of doom for the United States for years.

Those prophecies of doom appear to be accurate ... you may not see it but we can. The phrase "the bigger you are, the harder you fall" comes to mind. Do not think either Obama or McCain are capable of making things better. They won't.

We are nimble and quick ...

At one time you were nimble and quick. You are not anymore. The last 8 years of economic mismanagement has fundamentally changed America.

Of course my opinion matters. I am a vote. I am also a taxpayer.

It is the opinion of the electorate as a whole that matters on election day, and at the moment, that opinion differs signficantly to yours.

At the present time, more Americans disagree with your opinion than agree with you. Your one small vote will not make a difference.

"What qualifies Obama to be President ??"




A lot of peoples want him as a President. Isn't it enough ? He's his own party nominee too.

A lot of peoples want him as a President. Isn't it enough ? He's his own party nominee too.

Correct. He doesn't need to pass any exams on economics or foreign policy. He doesn't have to have a conservative agenda and he doesn't have to be a champion of the free market.

Americans just have to vote for him. They have a choice and at the moment, they appear to prefer him to McCain. Simple as!

The Republic is dead.

The Republic is dead.

It's not dead; but it has fundamentally changed from what everybody knew it to be.

The election is now a battle between the liberal and the very liberal, and anybody to the right of liberal have been excluded from the process.

Conservatives are left to vote reluctantly for McCain because they have no other choice.

For you, cunt, the best system would be Indian caste one. You are one precious cretin on FF. Sometimes your stupidity even exceeds the level of a vegetable like USSA or Piss&Shit

For you, cunt, the best system would be Indian caste one. You are one precious cretin on FF. Sometimes your stupidity even exceeds the level of a vegetable like USSA or Piss&Shit

MadCunt, you're just angry, incoherent and insignificant.

You also have the grammar of a 5 year old.

Iraq – A timetable for withdrawal.

That is a qualification?! A pre-announced surrender?!

Taxes – middle class tax cuts; tax hikes for those earning more than £250k

How is that a qualification, you idiot?

Health Care – Universal

By fining parents and employers if they don't buy it?! LOL. This is some Universal approach! He could have suggested to fine people who got sick!

Economy – A socialist agenda with greater regulation

Why would that be a qualification to be an American president? And how come he is quiet about this?

You need to talk to French a bit more. You are almost complete idiot, you need to complete the process

Why would that be a qualification to be an American president?

Congratulations MadCunt ... yet again you completely miss the point.

Correct. He doesn't need to pass any exams on economics or foreign policy. He doesn't have to have a conservative agenda and he doesn't have to be a champion of the free market.

Americans just have to vote for him. They have a choice and at the moment, they appear to prefer him to McCain. Simple as!

I get the point you are trying to make Mr. Waterboard. But your ignorance is telling. So that someone can get enough votes qualifies them for leadership in your opinion?

Adolph Hitler was elected by votes as well. He was a homosexual psychotic mad man. He was qualified to be a leader under your extremely simplistic thought process?

The best you have brought so far is that Obama "said" he wouldn't tax anyone making less than $250,000.00US in a speech. History says otherwise. Bill Clinton used to utter the same horseshit when he campaigned. We all know that the truth was otherwise. The bottom line on taxes is that if you want to spend a trillion dollars on social programs, you either print funny money, or you tax the middle class. The middle class is where the real money is in the United States.

Got anything else, or can I let this thread die in an Obama disgrace?

"What qualifies Obama to be President ??"

He is Black. America will never become a proper shithole with White leadership. I mean, White folks could do it but it'll take so damnably long. We have only to look at Africa since colonial independence. Those nations have in 2 generations become world class shitholes with Zimbabwe and South Africa catching up to the rest in less than 1 generation. Remarkable. I'll credit the Belgians with doing the best in leaving a legacy of shitholery, followed by the French, British and then the Portuguese. Here in America I look at Chicago, Gary, Philadelphia, Jersey City, Washington DC and Atlanta and know that I need a Black executive in my White House for America to become a proper shithole.

Have I answered the question?

It would be easier to respond to a thread asking what disqualifies Obama from being president. A few bloggers have mentioned that he would be unable to get FBI security clearance, given his past. I must point out that in many places this guy couldn`t even be a policeman or firefighter given his admitted cocaine use and the nutty friends that would be found during a background check. He would likely fail the lie detector portion during the entrance process too. POTUS? Yikes.

He was qualified to be a leader under your extremely simplistic thought process?

Its not my system .... Its the American system.

Bill Clinton used to utter the same horseshit when he campaigned.

And George HW Bush said 'no new taxes'.