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en>fr fr>en By PissNVinegar Comments: 5048, member since Tue Sep 19, 2006On Fri Jul 04, 2008 08:25 PM
I have a question. If America is an empire (and everyone says that it is), then why is gas so expensive? I’m serious.
If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive?
Imperial considerations.
By Thomas F. Madden
July 03, 2008
article.nationalreview.com . . .=
America has become an empire. Everyone says so.
This is a surprise to most Americans, since few imagined that they were building such a thing. But, as historians such as Walter Nugent and Robert Kagan have recently taught us, Americans have been at this imperialist expansionism for quite some time — really since the beginning of the republic.
How else to explain that the United States has gone from a handful of agrarian colonies to a world-spanning colossus in the space of only a few centuries? As you read this, American military might is deployed across the planet. The U.S. Navy is literally larger than all of the other navies in the world combined. The United States military accounts for almost one-half of total global military expenditures. Never before in human history has there been such a disparity in power among sovereign states.
So, I have a question. If America is an empire (and everyone says that it is), then why is gas so expensive? I’m serious.
One of the principle advantages of empire is the conquest and confiscation of other people’s property. Choose almost any historical empire and you will find just that standard operating procedure. From the Hittites to the Assyrians, from the Arabs to the Turks, from the Mongols to the Mamluks, from the French to the Germans — they all worked the same way.
These empires built large military forces and proceeded to conquer their neighbors. They then used the resources of the vanquished to support further conquests, and continued to do so until satisfied, stopped, or defeated. A simple formula, it has been followed by multitudes of conquerors across history.
Now back to my question. Like any empire, the United States is powerful and pretty adept at conquest. In 2003 it conquered oil-rich Iraq. Critics of the war claimed that the Bush Administration lied about WMDs in Iraq so as to get their hands on the petro-wealth of the country. Chants of “No Blood for Oil” rang across American college campuses (or at least among the faculty members anyway).
So, where is the oil? Iraq currently produces about 2.5 million barrels per day (down from around 6 million before the war). Americans buy that oil from the Iraqis on the open market. If the war was all about grabbing oil, then why don’t we own it? After all, Iraq was conquered fair and square. Why doesn’t the country belong to the conquerors?
If you find these questions appalling or just foolish, that’s good. So do I. But it is worth remembering that our reaction is unusual, at least from the perspective of history.
If past empire builders such as Alexander the Great, Mehmed II, or Adolf Hitler had conquered Iraq you can be sure that it would belong to them. Enemies would be liquidated and the riches of the land would be extracted. Even the British Empire — no hard-knuckled empire of conquest — would have (and did) set up a colonial government in Iraq directly under the control of London.
This method of dealing with conquered territories — either by annexation or subjugation — has been used by history’s great empires for a good reason. It works. There is no need to deal with local government. It is pushed aside in favor of a new provincial or colonial government ruled by the empire. There is no need to train the local military to maintain order.
The best soldiers are enrolled in the imperial forces and the rest are expelled or killed. Insurrections are put down brutally until the population accepts the new masters. You do have to have a stomach for slaughter — something the British did not have and thereby lost their empire — but when it is over you can enjoy the rich fruits of conquest.
The American method of empire is precisely the opposite. Rather than extracting wealth and raw materials out of its conquered territories, the United States pours its own wealth and the lives of its citizens into the rebuilding of the defeated. In Iraq, for example, the United States has spent billions of dollars constructing and defending a new country, one that is governed by its own people, not the American people. The same is true in Afghanistan, as well as South Korea, Germany, and Japan.
If Americans have an empire (and everyone says that we do), then we certainly have a strange way of building it. It entails conquering enemies, picking them up, dusting them off, and then turning them into new friends. Americans do this not because it is a particularly efficient or clever way to build world hegemony. It is not. They do it because Americans sincerely do not want hegemony. They do not want an empire. They want peaceful friends.
The overriding objective of American expansionism is not opening markets or spreading freedom. It is security. After the devastation of World War II the United States began a policy of seeking security through alliances. NATO was the most visible, but there were others.
These alliances were decidedly lopsided. Although all parties promised to defend each other from attack, the likelihood of, say, Belgium being called on to defend the United States from Soviet invasion was pretty remote. The reverse, however, was a distinct possibility. Through their alliances postwar Americans committed themselves to defending more and more countries from attack. In so doing, they extended their own security horizon, effectively pushing threats further away from the homeland. Since most Americans abhor the concept of imperialism, this strategy allowed for the projection of massive American power overseas while avoiding the trappings of empire.
It worked for a long time. Then the Soviet Union fell. With the collapse of Communism, the United States emerged as the world’s lone superpower, its alliances intact and expanding, its military just as powerful and far-reaching. The empire, for all of its quirks, stood starkly revealed (which is why everyone knows about it).
One could still argue that the United States does not have an empire. But history suggests otherwise. There is one historical state that built its empire in much the same way.
The early Romans (despite what you may have seen on television) were an agrarian, pious, and isolationist people on the periphery of civilization. Like Americans, they reacted to outside threats by building alliances — first with the other city-states in Italy and then the kingdoms of the Mediterranean. They were militarily powerful but they had no interest in conquest. Throughout the centuries of the Republic the standard Roman practice was to rebuild defeated enemies and turn them into friends.
At various times Roman legions conquered Africa, Greece, and Asia Minor — some of the wealthiest areas in the world. In each case the victorious soldiers were withdrawn and the captured lands returned to their people — now friends and allies of Rome. A Roman in the third century B.C. would have objected to the idea that his state was an empire.
But a century later, after the fall of the Seleucids in Asia, the last rival superpower of the ancient world, it dawned on the Romans that they had, after all, built an empire. It was a surprise, because that is not at all what they had set out to do. As the Roman statesman Cicero later wrote, “By defending our allies our people have gained the whole world.”
America is not Rome, but it is building an empire in a remarkably similar way. It is one based not on conquest and subjugation, but a deep-seated desire for peace and security coupled with a healthy aversion to the concept of empire.
America does have an empire, just as everyone says. Yet it is not an empire of conquest. It is that much rarer variety: an empire of trust.
— Thomas F. Madden is Professor of History at Saint Louis University. His most recent book, Empires of Trust: How Rome Built – And America Is Building – A New World, will be released in July 2008. 79 Replies to American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By ledzep Comments: 12385, member since Tue Jul 12, 2005On Fri Jul 04, 2008 08:41 PM
I have a question. If America is an empire (and everyone says that it is), then why is gas so expensive? I’m serious.
LOL, oh I bet you are hahahaha. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By ledzep Comments: 12385, member since Tue Jul 12, 2005On Fri Jul 04, 2008 08:43 PM
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en>fr fr>en By BurnParis Comments: 20647, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003On Fri Jul 04, 2008 08:52 PM
Ironically, the dickheads that scream about the USA being an empire are the same dickheads that live in countries that have failed as empires. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? (karma: 8)
en>fr fr>en By PrimerX  Comments: 4000, member since Sat Jun 26, 2004On Fri Jul 04, 2008 09:08 PM
Very true. You just have to compare the most recent French wars and their motives with that of the yanks. After WW2, the French went back to empire building. The yanks never added a new star on their flag although they had plenty of chance to do so. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? (karma: 3)
en>fr fr>en By DelendaEstGallia Comments: 2291, member since Mon Mar 17, 2003On Fri Jul 04, 2008 09:19 PM
PrimerX wrote:
The yanks never added a new star on their flag although they had plenty of chance to do so.
We didn't want any. We just wanted the rest of the world to take care of its own problems (like dealing with people such as Adolf Hitler and the Japanese militarists before they become dangerous) so we wouldn't have to clean up the mess anymore.
We not only didn't add any new stars, we even let the Philippines go like we promised to, less than two years after losing thousands of men to free them from the Japanese. Meanwhile, France was trying to hold onto such wonderful "French" cities as Hanoi and Algiers. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? (karma: 2)
en>fr fr>en By frederick  Comments: 17782, member since Mon Mar 14, 2005On Fri Jul 04, 2008 09:27 PM
I'm waiting for the Leftist shitheads to show up here and try to refute this very logical and rational article. Be fun to see what they invent or cobble together. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? (karma: 6)
en>fr fr>en By MichalAugust Comments: 462, member since Thu May 31, 2007On Fri Jul 04, 2008 09:32 PM
BurnParis wrote:
Ironically, the dickheads that scream about the USA being an empire are the same dickheads that live in countries that have failed as empires.
Or resent their attachment to your empire, much like Canada. They like the military security, they like the huge merket you have, they like your money, massive population and accomplishments but they can't stand living in the shadow, knowing full well they couldn't match you if they tried. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? (karma: 4)
en>fr fr>en By DelendaEstGallia Comments: 2291, member since Mon Mar 17, 2003On Fri Jul 04, 2008 09:39 PM
MichalAugust wrote:
Or resent their attachment to your empire, much like Canada. They like the military security, they like the huge merket you have, they like your money, massive population and accomplishments but they can't stand living in the shadow, knowing full well they couldn't match you if they tried.
Just imagine being France. France has been around for nearly 1,200 years, and the only time they came close to achieving what we have was when they had an Italian from Corsica ruling them for a few years, and even he fucked it up and they went back to being second-rate. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By letarsier59  Comments: 8000, member since Thu Jan 20, 2005On Fri Jul 04, 2008 09:41 PM
If America is an empire (and everyone says that it is), then why is gas so expensive?
can you spell "weak dollar" ?
Also, blame the guys who lost money in the subprimes : now they speculate on oil , food and metals. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By theseventhmunkey  Comments: 1558, member since Fri Feb 23, 2007On Fri Jul 04, 2008 09:47 PM
Wars of conquest aren't profitable anymore. Even if you had conquered Iraq to seize its oil, it wouldn't have begun to pay for the cost of invasion and occupation. It's so much easier and cheaper to just buy what you want than to take it by force. There's simply no rationale for "blood for oil", which is the main reason why these conspiracy theories just don't work even as conspiracy theories. The moon landing conspiracy theory, as silly as it is, at least has an internal logic, but the Iraq conspiracy theories are just stupid. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? (karma: 5)
en>fr fr>en By BurnParis Comments: 20647, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003On Fri Jul 04, 2008 09:49 PM
Edited by BurnParis (59538) on 2008-07-04 21:55:00
can you spell "weak dollar" ?
Can you say "retard" as in,... "letarsier is a retard"?
If we were an Empire, a weak dollar wouldnt mean shit, because we would be stealing resources just like your shit-hole country did when it tried to be an empire | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? (karma: 3)
en>fr fr>en By PissNVinegar Comments: 5048, member since Tue Sep 19, 2006On Fri Jul 04, 2008 09:54 PM
letarsier59 wrote:
If America is an empire (and everyone says that it is), then why is gas so expensive?
can you spell "weak dollar" ?
Also, blame the guys who lost money in the subprimes : now they speculate on oil , food and metals.
So, gas has become expensive only because of the weak dollar? Or is the weak dollar the result of government interference with a free market?
By nature, the stock and commodities markets are speculative, or it would not be worth taking the risk and being wrong.
So, did we invade Sodom and rid 25 million Iraqis of a murderous regime for oil, as you frogslime claimed, after we upset your backstabbing oil scam with the dictator, or not? Just stick to the thread topic, asswipe. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By MichalAugust Comments: 462, member since Thu May 31, 2007On Fri Jul 04, 2008 09:57 PM
Edited by MichalAugust (80640) on 2008-07-04 22:00:43
Edited by MichalAugust (80640) on 2008-07-04 22:02:31
Edited by MichalAugust (80640) on 2008-07-04 22:06:24
MichalAugust wrote:
Or resent their attachment to your empire, much like Canada. They like the military security, they like the huge merket you have, they like your money, massive population and accomplishments but they can't stand living in the shadow, knowing full well they couldn't match you if they tried.
DelendaEstGallia wrote:
Just imagine being France. France has been around for nearly 1,200 years, and the only time they came close to achieving what we have was when they had an Italian from Corsica ruling them for a few years, and even he fucked it up and they went back to being second-rate.
And to drive the hail harder, many of Napoleon's most successful troops were Polish. We do have to thank him for the Duchy of Warsaw, but he utterly messed-up his invasion of Russia. Poland successfully installed two "Fasle Dimitri"s from 1604-1612. We in fact ruled Moscow. If France would try it, Russians would grate their cheezy asses in days.
P.S.: This isn't some anti-Russian sentimental crap. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? en>fr fr>en By Ihatehippies Comments: 7066, member since Mon Mar 24, 2003On Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:40 PM
OK, I'll light this strawman.
If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive?
Because our empire doesn't extend into Saudi Arabia and Iraq has been such a shithole lately there's been no new exploration there?
So, where is the oil? Iraq currently produces about 2.5 million barrels per day (down from around 6 million before the war). Americans buy that oil from the Iraqis on the open market. If the war was all about grabbing oil, then why don’t we own it?
Let's say we "took" the oil. How would it get out of the ground? We don't have drilling and resevoir engineers as a part of the Army. The Navy doesn't have supertankers. These would all have to be supplied by private company. Which would charge charge what the market would bear. I don't think Iraq, in its present state of its oil industry, can significantly swing the price of oil. Even oil that comes out of the ground in West Texas still costs $150 a barrel. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By simplefrench Comments: 54073, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003On Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:51 PM
"why is gas so expensive?"
Compared to europe,it is not expensive at all,you should already understand that .
But if you want to know why it is expensive for you, it is because oil companies (US included ) are in the business to WIN money.Not to make you gifts. And in iraq,oil fields are not yet really operational i suppose.
and there is the world demand who is increasing.due to your best friends the chineses (with whom you make an enormous business,bunch of assholes) | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? en>fr fr>en By PissNVinegar Comments: 5048, member since Tue Sep 19, 2006On Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:57 PM
LOL, IHH, your continued negative thinking is most impressive. You don't think American oil engineers and other pros are at Iraqi wells, and haven't been for some time now?
You may want to consult a related (on the oil question) thread: www.fuckfrance.com . . .
Gee, looks like liberals are trying to make a political show, and hold up progress, on still more good news. Whadya know? No surprise there. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? en>fr fr>en By Ihatehippies Comments: 7066, member since Mon Mar 24, 2003On Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:06 PM
LOL, IHH, your continued negative thinking is most impressive.
My postive waves ran out around 2005-2006 I realized how much smoke was blown up my ass the previous three years. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? en>fr fr>en By PissNVinegar Comments: 5048, member since Tue Sep 19, 2006On Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:08 PM
Compared to europe,it is not expensive at all,you should already understand that .
That much you have right. Isn't there a fwunch article explaining that?
We're not talking about zerope, simple. The thread topic is not simply oil prices. If you read the article in full you will learn that.
You should also read many other topics I have posted about American oil prices and American solutions. You might learn something from those, too.
This article is about claims you and other frogs....and the rest of the uninformed have made vis a vis the reasons the Irag war was launched and how imperialism is a froggy trait, and was never an American one. Just READ THE ARTICLES BEFORE Y'ALL SPOUT OFF. I might not be forced to insult you for irrelevant comments. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? en>fr fr>en By simplefrench Comments: 54073, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003On Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:22 PM
"This article is about claims you and other frogs....and the rest of the uninformed have made vis a vis the reasons the Irag war was launched and how imperialism is a froggy trait, and was never an American one. Just READ THE ARTICLES BEFORE Y'ALL SPOUT OFF. I might not be forced to insult you for irrelevant comments"
About empire, there are several forms of empires. military and economical .guess who you are ?
and if you are not happy,send me bush,the fbi and the cia.
If you can't,go fuck yourself.
ps : our colonies ended in 1950 and the latter in 1960. we are in 2008. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? en>fr fr>en By CharlesAppollon Comments: 299, member since Sun May 11, 2008On Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:39 PM
You should replace the term "imperialism" by "Oligarchy",much more accurate in such a case......An oligarchy whose first profiteers are undoubtely the Oil mafia and souless speculators to the detriment of the average american citizen .....courtesy to their powerful washington based lobbies,these crooks,acting as a mafia,ve infiltrated all the strategic GVT levels....the current US president,whose links with Oil cartels re well known,is just giving the "last helping hand" to his masters before the end of his mandate | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? en>fr fr>en By simplefrench Comments: 54073, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003On Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:43 PM
i give you a clue :
google "ECHELON" and you will have an idea of your enormous capacity to spy.
This anglophone network is able to record 3 millions of data per minute.It is is used also for economical spying ( even your allies)
The main station is in uk.
The french and german have spying stations too but much smaller. Even if it is impressive nevertheless.
it is clearly a form of imperialism. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? en>fr fr>en By PissNVinegar Comments: 5048, member since Tue Sep 19, 2006On Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:53 PM
Oligarchy? Try ratsPutin's Russia, your friend in the gas business.
Where do you snail-eaters get your shit? It's ludicrous.
Again, simple the word empire is explained in the article that you either can't understand or refuse to read. I'm not about to spoon feed you. | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? en>fr fr>en By simplefrench Comments: 54073, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003On Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM
bush comes from the oil business. you don't know it may be ?
And curiously,you find usa in iraq.(where there is oil).
use the 2 cells you have.
make your wars but don't search the others all the time,bunch of stupid redneck | re: American Imperialism? If America Is an Empire, then Why Is Gas So Expensive? en>fr fr>en By Ihatehippies Comments: 7066, member since Mon Mar 24, 2003On Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:01 AM
simplefrench wrote:
i give you a clue :
google "ECHELON" and you will have an idea of your enormous capacity to spy.
This anglophone network is able to record 3 millions of data per minute.It is is used also for economical spying ( even your allies)
The main station is in uk.
The french and german have spying stations too but much smaller. Even if it is impressive nevertheless.
it is clearly a form of imperialism.
Prior to 2000 the rightwing (like Worldnetdaily) used to make a big stink about ECHELON. I wonder if they still do. |
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